At Penguicon 5.0 in 2007, Elizabeth Bear, M. Keaton, David Crampton, and Sarah Monette discuss coming up with plots for books. How do these guys come up with it, book after book--the thrills, the mistakes, the challenges and triumphs of our favorite heroes? Where do writers get their plots? What about themes? There's rumored to be a shop in Indiana that sells them but... Our panelists attempt and probably fail to answer these questions as they discuss the backbone of every book--the plot. Where does it come from? Does it change before you can nail it down? Do you even need one?